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Andrew SkinnerParticipant
Hi Don
I’ve not been to any of these international electronics fairs, though I’ll bet they’re of interest.
Look forward to reading your report and observation son this very forum!
AndrewAndrew SkinnerParticipantAnd has LinkedIn been helpful to you Don, finding new business, employing people and so forth?
Note that Engineers Australia is holding a webinar on Sept 21st called “Building Your Brand via LinkedIn”; you can register at
https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/portal/event/building-your-brand-linkedin?utm_medium=email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=SA_EventAlert_19092016And do I use LinkedIn?
‘Fraid not! I prefer to remain out of sight and thinking about circuits rather than networks.
Perhaps as a response to owning my own business, I don’t feel the need to keep my recruitment profile polished…I’d be interested in other peoples’ experiences with this social networking site for professional people.
Andrew SkinnerParticipantHi Don
I hadn’t known Electronex was on; maybe next year?US-based Electronics Design magazine recently published their Salary Review for 2015; this is a fascinating read for electronics engineers, and you can download it simply by registering with Electronic Design on their website.
Here are some of the statistics of how electronic engineers are ‘staying current’ with new and emerging technologies.
White papers: 69%
Engineering/technology publications: 68%
Webcasts: 63%
Engineering videos: 57%
Engineering/technology websites: 56%
Seminars: 55%
Engineering textbooks: 48%
Vendor-sponsored education: 45%
Trade shows/conferences: 40%
E-books: 38%
Engineering-associated – sponsored meetings: 22%
On-line discussion forums: 22%
On-line college degrees: 21%
User groups/meetups: 19%
In-house education programs: 18%
In-classroom college degrees: 11%So which of these forms of education did their companies reimburse costs for engineers?
Trade shows/conferences: 55%
Seminars: 54%
College tuition: 38%
Engineering textbooks: 35%
Engineering association dues: 27%
Certifications: 26%
Publication subscriptions: 26%
On-line training: 25%The broad message from nearly 3000 electrical engineers was that “It’s not all about the money!”
Andrew SkinnerParticipantHi Donald
“Driving you to distraction” doesn’t sound good…
Is it all those suppressed memories of bygone days?
So I also did my homework, and the valve in question is an EK32 ‘octode’, rather then the ‘heptode’ I’d thought it was.
This has six grids in three columns, and some of those are used as plates (I’m told).
This valve was used in the rf front-end of the radio, acting as both an amplifier, a the local oscillator and the down-mixer for the following if stage.
So the lesson here is that the quality of thinking and the novel ideas of good engineering don’t change with time; just the technology that we have to work with is different.
Interestingly, vacuum tube technology lives on in the travelling-wave guides used in satellites and in the development of vacuum channel transistors for use in terahertz equipment for directional high-speed communications and hazardous-materials sensing.
Finally, you’re right about the high operating voltages inside the old Tektronix valve scopes, but those are beautifully-crafted pieces of engineering, well-documented and easy to move around in safely. And even back then – in the 1960’s – they understood that the electron beam in a vacuum had a finite speed, and so developed distributed electrode methods for high-speed analogue CRTs (cathode ray tubes).
Knowing your electronics history can help with modern design work.Andrew SkinnerParticipantBench-testing new engineers
I enjoyed the EIDA tour of the electronic engineering laboratories at Adelaide University on the 16th February 2016 and listened with interest to the staff presentations about their research.
What I had hoped to see, I did not – a hive of activity in the undergraduate labs of students hacking electronic projects together. I finally figured out that they probably hadn’t even come back from Christmas leave yet, let alone been assigned projects and partners for the 2016 student year.
So this left me only one source of answers to my question of how much ‘bench experience’ engineering students actually get in real electronics; I asked a recent graduate how long he’d spent in the lab each week.
Luckily, I had one of those down the back lab…
Justin He (pictured) is a newly-minted Chinese engineer who completed his Masters Degree in Electronic Engineering at Adelaide Uni last year, and has since been looking for work.
He’s filling the long hours by doing an internship with me in my home lab, beavering away there while I’m off at work shuffling papers and attending meetings. We spend Wednesdays together doing the more intensive explanations and troubleshooting.
He’s prototyped a ‘stuck node tester’ and a sensitive millivoltmeter, and has graduated to the higher echelons of ‘fixing’
The HP3400 RMS voltmeter he’s attempting to repair is probably 40 years old but still has specifications that beat the modern handheld Fluke 179 True RMS meter on the bench nearby. Crest factor is 10 (compared with the Fluke’s 3) and the bandwidth runs to 10 MHz (compared to the Fluke’s 1 kHz).
You can pick a HP3400A up for about $75 second-hand, and inside there you will find a whole education in circuit design in a readily repairable and thoroughly documented form.
So how many lab hours did Adelaide Uni give Justin?
12 hours per subject in two subjects over two years.
He runs up that many hours every couple of days during bench-testing.Andrew SkinnerParticipantThanks chaps
Ron – I’m sure that the cadetships would have been invaluable to those young graduate engineers in giving them some confidence and usefulness from their first day in a real job.
The difficulty I have is the high cost to a small company of funding the cadetship, even at a half-time salary. Yes, the cash is hard to come by, but the teaching time needed is the biggest drain.
It’s still worth doing though.
One of the greatest moments during an internship comes when you realize that the intern has just told you something, or done something, that you yourself hadn’t thought of, didn’t know or could not have found time to do. That ‘tipping point’ may be reached after as little as one month with a very bright student. After that they are worth having around, and are a positive influence for all.
Don – I haven’t many clues about accounting so have never interned anyone from that field. I wonder whether – dealing as they do with figures and computing systems – they are more ‘job ready’ than engineers?
Maybe you have also touched on the real problem here with graduate engineers. Their lack of vocational skills – the sort of nouse that you would expect of a technician from the TAFE – is something that engineering graduates simply have had too little time to develop? I think of this as ‘bench skills’. One Masters Student (Chinese) didn’t know what an oscilloscope was.
As the great Jim Williams (Linear Technology’s electronics guru) said: “Always solder and debug your own circuits – don’t just flick them over to some hapless technician to sort out after you designed it” (paraphrased with a wide license)Andrew SkinnerParticipantThanks for your kind words, Ron
To be clear, I won at State level, making me South Australian Professional Engineer of the Year.So who won the big national prize – the true Professional Engineer of the Year in all of Australia?
This signal honour went to Dr Chris Roberts – a chemical engineer – who headed up the internationally-regarded ASX-listed Sydney-based firm ‘Cochlear’ as CEO for the past 11 years.
Cochlear make very advanced electronic products for those with severe hearing loss.
I figured their annual turnover to be something like 1000 times MEA’s, so I’m out-gunned right there!
Andrew (Skinner)
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Andrew SkinnerParticipantThanks Donald
This will be an interesting visit.
The head of the Electronic Engineering Department at Adelaide University – Professor Cheng-Chew Lim – gave a talk to the EA Retired Engineers group on the 11th November on the challenges for learning and teaching electronics to modern students.
I came out of there glad that I was not about to embark upon an EE career.
Here are ten reasons why (according to Professor Lim)
1. 40% of the jobs that are around today will not even exist in 20 years time
2. Graduates will have twenty jobs during their career
3. 50% of graduates will change jobs every five years
4. Employers want ‘job-ready’ graduates who are globally-aware
5. Industry fears poaching of their graduate engineers if they put too much training into them
6. As a result, there are few graduate training programs available within industry
7. Students today are coming from a diversity of backgrounds and are largely unprepared for university
8. Lectures are no longer for learning – students do that at home via the web – but should use the lecture for deeper understandings
9. The university is working at giving graduates ‘transferable skills’ such as communication, creativity, independence, self-discipline, leadership, enterprising abilities and team work skills
10. 50% of the engineering department’s revenues come from overseas students -
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